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I recently watch this Tedx on "Enlightenment engineering".  I have my own opinions on it, but would love to hear what others think before sharing.  Certainly an interesting concept ... 

 

 

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Thanks for this video. I have to say I have avoided information about technology hacking the mind because I don’t trust that approach. Mikey was very refreshing and seemed to reflect very noble values. He probably is right that technology is going to move in this direction, for good or otherwise. It is lovely to have a sense of shortcuts to wholeness, but I fear the aspect of subjecting the brain to manipulation and control by outside engineering invites really dystopian results, because part of the movement toward wholeness is surrendering the egoistic urge to be in control. As he pointed out, the experience of wholeness was the very opposite of acquiring and manipulating data within conceptual frameworks to exert our will. The desire to have things one’s way and to be able to control one’s subjective experience might fuel dangerous self-absorption. Yes, I believe a mature mind might work beneficial wonders with technology, but what about the brilliant but immature ones? 

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Thanks for sharing this @Tanya Hawkins! And thank you @David Weiskopf for your comments.

I have the same hesitation, David, towards using technology to hack the mind. In theory, it could seem like a really great idea (technology is here to stay, after all!). However I also agree that there is great risk in using technology to achieve some desired outcome and short-cutting the experiences required to deeply embody the lessons and insights we learn throughout life. I also wonder if these technologies would be able to fully embrace and teach us things like compassion, patience, and generosity. Can wavelengths and visuals really help us to grow in empathy and enhanced our understanding of our interconnectedness?

I would love to hear your thoughts on all of this as well Tanya! 🙂

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I think it's a super interesting concept.  Thank you both @David Weiskopf and @Gillian Sanger for your comments.  I feel very similar to both you.  In one regard it's wonderful ... the more we can look inward and begin to better understand ourselves and "what consciousness means" for us the more we're able to make choices to live a more deliberate/conscious life.  With that said, I still think there is large part of our population that is COMPLETELY asleep as to what it means to live a more consciousness life.  It's not even on their radar ... they're completely immersed in a 3D world where everything they can see/feel/touch is all there is to "living."  With that said, as Mikey points out in his presentation, so many of the apps out there now give us "feedback and data" as to how we're doing.  For those still "trapped" in a 3D mindset, most often those apps are a means to an end to measure themselves by external parameters.  Did I get enough steps in, did I sleep enough hours, did I [fill in the blank]?  If this the perspective people are coming from, it adds another layer of judgement that will be piled on themselves rather than simply being useful information.  And when people are "using" these tools without coming from a higher place of consciousness, there is alway the risk of the "tools" and information from those tools to be used in a nefarious way to control/manipulate.  So from that perspective, technology of consciousness or "consciousness hacking" could be dangerous.  As an enlightened person, Mikey is coming from this from a place of pure intension, but we as a society have to be careful to balance that with awareness that not everyone (at least at this moment) comes from that same place of pure intension.  And as we create technologies in this regard we MUST keep that in mind, otherwise we run the risk of creating technologies "for the good of humanity" that actually have unintended and possibly quite opposite results.

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Thanks so much for your reflection Tanya! It is a tricky thing to navigate because there can be varying intentions or even just blindspots in the development of these technologies. Something we indeed need to be mindful of. 🙂

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